"The Labour leader says it’s time for Winston Peters to stop talking about himself, move on from the crowbar attack on his house, and focus on issues Kiwis care about."
Bang on, Chippy. It's time to concentrate on what matters —whether that's Gaza or the economy —not Winston's bloody window.
It's good to see such mature leadership from the Labour leader, as many other MPs seem to be running around like headless chickens, revelling in the distraction.
Well, I'm not a believer any more, but I did go to Sunday school and Bible class growing up, and I doubt if Jesus would recognise Christianity should he return. I once said this on FB and was told, by someone I assumed was a MAGA, that Jesus wasn't a Christian because he was a Jew. Still trying to work a reply to that.
As an American veteran of these online war fronts Maggie, may I humbly encourage you to not even work on such a reply. Using reason with people who aren’t reasoning is pointless. They are lost to us. They are irredeemable. All just campaigning for the rapture. Let ‘em go.
Yes, Nick. I'm feeling swamped by a deluge of "Holier than thou-ism" from the Government, falling over themselves to milk the broken window incident for all they're worth so they can divert attention from
a) the economy
b) the economy
c) the economy
and all the associated crap policies that have been cobbled together to create the Frankenstein economy and consequent social issues we now see in Aotearoa.
From the shrill shrieking of Willis ("call off the dogs") to the sanctimonious platitudes from Luxon, Seymour, Brown et al and Winnie's gleeful playing of the incident in Parliament and in the media, we see the concerted, cynical effort of their spin doctors to drag the public's attention away from this CoC's shameful and disastrous wrecking of what has made our country a place to be proud to live in. Not perfect, I know, but sheesh, how would we describe it now?
This landed in my inbox this morning from Caitlin Johnstone an Australian blogger who together with her American husband has been unrelenting in her exposure of Israel & it's supporters for many months. I thought it worth sharing:
"Everything before October 7 explains why October 7 happened, and so does everything that’s happened since.
Look at what happened before October 7 and you’ll see year after year of murder, oppression and abuse.
Look at everything that’s happened since October 7 and you’ll understand the kind of sadistic, psychopathic regime the Palestinians have been living under this entire time.
Israel supporters don’t want you looking at what happened before October 7, and they don’t want you looking at anything that’s happened since. They just want you to pretend history began and ended with a bunch of Hitlerite savages attacking innocent Jews for no reason."
👍💯 I don't condone the Hamas attack - but I understand deep in my bones the genesis, exactly as you/Caitlin have stated. That incident targetted innocent people & was just the licence Netanyahu et al WANTED for the escalation of what they were already doing.
🤷The cynic in me thinks it likely that "the best" intelligence organisation in the world ALLOWED this attack to go ahead & sacrificed their own innocent citizens to the cause of Israeli colonialism via extreme state violence of vastly superior resources against largely unarmed civilians. So Hamas was virtually inevitable, as will future terrorist actions triggered by what the state of Israel is doing - past/present/future 🥺 Hamas by another name and/or individuals acting alone...
Wondering why the guy who threw the rock through Winnie's window is being charged with burglary? What did he take besides Drunkle's dignity? (allegedly, since A. Winnie doesn't have any, and B. he hasn't actually been convicted yet, due process, people).
Could it be that the way things are changing now, not always for the best, the offender missed his allotted target? “we said Winnie, you idiot, not window”!!
Yes Nick,Nicola Willis said "Call off your attack dogs" to the Greens, and went even further on RNZ saying it was a metaphor for Shakespeare's "Call off the hounds". Then she ruined her classical reference by calling actions by Chris Hipkins and Megan Woods "weasel words"
Is that a Freudian slip? I think we know who says weasel words and is nasty round here.
As to Winston's "Victimhood", he is revelling in it. It is full of inconsistent behaviour, all selfish.
He stands up, trashes our reputation by fence sitting on behalf of CoC at the UN, does not mention the deaths are now genocide, yet he accuses the Greens of being dangerous, because one person got carried away and broke a window? Freedom of expression means "if you agree with us, you can say what you like!! " in their book. Painting the Left as dangerous disrupters.
On the 23rd I won't be surprised if the March is attacked by Right Wing groups, as any and all protest is gradually being painted as unlawful by a defiant failing Government who are desperate for a circuit breaker and hope to redirect the anger away from themselves at any cost. Thanks for the advance warning Winston. I hope I am wrong, but the signs are there.
Winston's 'victimhood' game made me feel sick to the stomach. He has no idea what it really feels like to be harassed, intimidated and be a target of vandalism and then watch the perpetrators claiming 'victimhood'. He and his coalition partners have turned the NZ political scene into a hunting ground for narcissists and sociopaths, and he is up there with the worst of them.
ACT member Simon Court at home yesterday : 'lets see now,( he puts down his copy of Mein Kampf and picks up dictionary ) okaaay, G....gender, genuflect, genitalia ( giggles like a school girl then adjusts the hemline on his Victorias secret bra and panties, prior to using is Philips Lady Shave) gestate, gesticulate, geophysics, nope can't see the word genocide at all.
🤗 Just commented on Mountain Tui's snark item that humour seems to be the most successful pushback in the USA, so thanks for stepping up in Aotearoa 💪👏
thank you Cindy ! just a proud kiwi dad with a bilingual daughter, proud of her heritage, her culture, her history, her bolshiness lol...and her mana. sadly not encouraged, nor supported by National. nearly 70,000, Palestinian men, women and children murdered, as that total grows daily. In the interim Winstoned has a bottle/glass ? thrown through his window and it makes front page news. Perspective Cindy x
👍💯 Not only ARMY (although these days Ukrainians would blow them off the planet as their opposition is ACTUALLY armed 👀) but their intelligence service widely recognised as the best - most commentators at the time believed Netanyahu KNEW before & did nothing 🤷)
Winston cops a broken window and broken glass on his dog and screams (and looks) like a Harry Potter mandrake and blames Chloe. FFS. No shame and no memory of the wreckage he personally wrought on others by inciting the public to troll and threaten other politicians.
Minister of Tanking the Economy shrieking call off the dogs, as if anyone listens to her.
Idiot ACT guy who doesn’t want to upset Jews - when it looks like Genocide, smells like genocide is officially described as genocide, must be GENOCIDE.
Code Brown, sucking up and talking shit as usual. Just missing the ultimate Aholes - Luxon and Seymour, oh give it a minute their evil and stupidity will make an appearance.
I am over the performative playbook the right are fully invested in. Aotearoa - we have to stand up on 23 October together with our health and education practitioners and make it clear - this Cluster of callous incompetents cannot be our future.
A lot of demonising going on today… Winnie demonising the Greens, Nicola demonising anyone who will stand still long enough to suffer her constant nagging about life on earth. The Coalition, as a hole,( a very big one,) are suddenly aware that they are losing ground rapidly to the Opposition and are blaming them for anything they can, true or false, mostly false, to keep their faithful supporters from getting too close to the truth about the state of their country.
Frank’s newsletter was very interesting reading indeed. Perhaps a bit more homework by all those demonising Hamas might help them understand the background behind Oct 7. I don’t, for one second condone terrorism by anyone. Not even Israel, America or any other state we are exhorted to praise for their leadership and humanity.
“Sympathy for the devil” is a song I’ve loved since it came out in 1968. A very clever and largely misunderstood assessment by Mick. The best bass line ever by Keith to support his blistering guitar work. I have to agree with David. The original is the best by far. Christians around the world demonise (?!) this song without ever listening to it, (including members of a youth group I was a leader of some time ago). The vicar of our church thinks it’s great as well. The Simeons and others who no doubt think it’s about a cloven hoofed, horned dude with bad intentions might be surprised to find “the devil” they fear is in front of them every time they look in a mirror. It’s all about us, folks! 😬
The lovely Norman Finkelstein has said that calling what is happening in Gaza a 'war' is also a form of Israeli propaganda. There are not two armies fighting it out on a battlefield, with NLAWS, tanks, artillery, armed drones, jet fighters and helicopters, etc
There is a MASSIVELY equipped army decimating a civilian population.
And saying that Israel wants peace is completely avoiding the actual reality of what Israel has said, clearly, time and again, to its own people: it wants Palestine.
"The Labour leader says it’s time for Winston Peters to stop talking about himself, move on from the crowbar attack on his house, and focus on issues Kiwis care about."
Bang on, Chippy. It's time to concentrate on what matters —whether that's Gaza or the economy —not Winston's bloody window.
It's good to see such mature leadership from the Labour leader, as many other MPs seem to be running around like headless chickens, revelling in the distraction.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360847592/hipkins-urges-winston-move-and-dial-back-rhetoric-over-house-attack
Well, I'm not a believer any more, but I did go to Sunday school and Bible class growing up, and I doubt if Jesus would recognise Christianity should he return. I once said this on FB and was told, by someone I assumed was a MAGA, that Jesus wasn't a Christian because he was a Jew. Still trying to work a reply to that.
As an American veteran of these online war fronts Maggie, may I humbly encourage you to not even work on such a reply. Using reason with people who aren’t reasoning is pointless. They are lost to us. They are irredeemable. All just campaigning for the rapture. Let ‘em go.
A Palestinian Jew?
Wait till they work out that he wasn't white with blond hair and blue eyes...
Years ago, I saw a cartoon, showing different views of Jesus, and then what he actually looked like...a Palestinian...
He was a Palestinian.
LOL
Yes, Nick. I'm feeling swamped by a deluge of "Holier than thou-ism" from the Government, falling over themselves to milk the broken window incident for all they're worth so they can divert attention from
a) the economy
b) the economy
c) the economy
and all the associated crap policies that have been cobbled together to create the Frankenstein economy and consequent social issues we now see in Aotearoa.
From the shrill shrieking of Willis ("call off the dogs") to the sanctimonious platitudes from Luxon, Seymour, Brown et al and Winnie's gleeful playing of the incident in Parliament and in the media, we see the concerted, cynical effort of their spin doctors to drag the public's attention away from this CoC's shameful and disastrous wrecking of what has made our country a place to be proud to live in. Not perfect, I know, but sheesh, how would we describe it now?
Arse-holier than thou is another way to describe the three parties condoning this evil
This landed in my inbox this morning from Caitlin Johnstone an Australian blogger who together with her American husband has been unrelenting in her exposure of Israel & it's supporters for many months. I thought it worth sharing:
"Everything before October 7 explains why October 7 happened, and so does everything that’s happened since.
Look at what happened before October 7 and you’ll see year after year of murder, oppression and abuse.
Look at everything that’s happened since October 7 and you’ll understand the kind of sadistic, psychopathic regime the Palestinians have been living under this entire time.
Israel supporters don’t want you looking at what happened before October 7, and they don’t want you looking at anything that’s happened since. They just want you to pretend history began and ended with a bunch of Hitlerite savages attacking innocent Jews for no reason."
👍💯 I don't condone the Hamas attack - but I understand deep in my bones the genesis, exactly as you/Caitlin have stated. That incident targetted innocent people & was just the licence Netanyahu et al WANTED for the escalation of what they were already doing.
🤷The cynic in me thinks it likely that "the best" intelligence organisation in the world ALLOWED this attack to go ahead & sacrificed their own innocent citizens to the cause of Israeli colonialism via extreme state violence of vastly superior resources against largely unarmed civilians. So Hamas was virtually inevitable, as will future terrorist actions triggered by what the state of Israel is doing - past/present/future 🥺 Hamas by another name and/or individuals acting alone...
Spot on have you listened to Norman Finkelstein he is absolutely scathing of Israeli society & his family were in Germany during the Holocaust.
Wondering why the guy who threw the rock through Winnie's window is being charged with burglary? What did he take besides Drunkle's dignity? (allegedly, since A. Winnie doesn't have any, and B. he hasn't actually been convicted yet, due process, people).
I'm waiting to hear that he's a deranged SovCit in a rage because Winnie hasn't banned vaccinations.
Could it be that the way things are changing now, not always for the best, the offender missed his allotted target? “we said Winnie, you idiot, not window”!!
Yes Nick,Nicola Willis said "Call off your attack dogs" to the Greens, and went even further on RNZ saying it was a metaphor for Shakespeare's "Call off the hounds". Then she ruined her classical reference by calling actions by Chris Hipkins and Megan Woods "weasel words"
Is that a Freudian slip? I think we know who says weasel words and is nasty round here.
As to Winston's "Victimhood", he is revelling in it. It is full of inconsistent behaviour, all selfish.
He stands up, trashes our reputation by fence sitting on behalf of CoC at the UN, does not mention the deaths are now genocide, yet he accuses the Greens of being dangerous, because one person got carried away and broke a window? Freedom of expression means "if you agree with us, you can say what you like!! " in their book. Painting the Left as dangerous disrupters.
On the 23rd I won't be surprised if the March is attacked by Right Wing groups, as any and all protest is gradually being painted as unlawful by a defiant failing Government who are desperate for a circuit breaker and hope to redirect the anger away from themselves at any cost. Thanks for the advance warning Winston. I hope I am wrong, but the signs are there.
Great response Patricia.
Winston's 'victimhood' game made me feel sick to the stomach. He has no idea what it really feels like to be harassed, intimidated and be a target of vandalism and then watch the perpetrators claiming 'victimhood'. He and his coalition partners have turned the NZ political scene into a hunting ground for narcissists and sociopaths, and he is up there with the worst of them.
ACT member Simon Court at home yesterday : 'lets see now,( he puts down his copy of Mein Kampf and picks up dictionary ) okaaay, G....gender, genuflect, genitalia ( giggles like a school girl then adjusts the hemline on his Victorias secret bra and panties, prior to using is Philips Lady Shave) gestate, gesticulate, geophysics, nope can't see the word genocide at all.
🤗 Just commented on Mountain Tui's snark item that humour seems to be the most successful pushback in the USA, so thanks for stepping up in Aotearoa 💪👏
thank you Cindy ! just a proud kiwi dad with a bilingual daughter, proud of her heritage, her culture, her history, her bolshiness lol...and her mana. sadly not encouraged, nor supported by National. nearly 70,000, Palestinian men, women and children murdered, as that total grows daily. In the interim Winstoned has a bottle/glass ? thrown through his window and it makes front page news. Perspective Cindy x
Unbelievable, how they can IGNORE what is happening???
How long until the next election..
Still hoping the CoC don't last that long. Mind you I didn't think Winston would hand over DPM to David, so what do I know...
The protest outside Winston's house was over at 10pm when the protestors went home. unlike Gaza with the noise of war never stops.
October 7th was awful but it gave Netanyahu the excuse and justification to do what he's been wanting to do for ages. Curious.
On Oct 7 the Israeli army was caught napping?
Yeah, right.
Most efficient army in the world probably.
Those Israelis who were killed and kidnapped were pawns in a murderous game.
Events since then have proved that Netanyahu will go to any lengths in the pursuit of his criminal plans.
👍💯 Not only ARMY (although these days Ukrainians would blow them off the planet as their opposition is ACTUALLY armed 👀) but their intelligence service widely recognised as the best - most commentators at the time believed Netanyahu KNEW before & did nothing 🤷)
Ditto - most efficient army in the world taking 2 years to clear out Hamas? I don't believe it for a moment
Yes Dan, only scenario that makes sense...
Yes, and where were Mossad? Surely they had people who knew from the inside what Hamas were doing. Horrible but possible.
I can't believe Simon Court requested that!! OMG what part of genocide does he not understand!.
The human side
Winston cops a broken window and broken glass on his dog and screams (and looks) like a Harry Potter mandrake and blames Chloe. FFS. No shame and no memory of the wreckage he personally wrought on others by inciting the public to troll and threaten other politicians.
Minister of Tanking the Economy shrieking call off the dogs, as if anyone listens to her.
Idiot ACT guy who doesn’t want to upset Jews - when it looks like Genocide, smells like genocide is officially described as genocide, must be GENOCIDE.
Code Brown, sucking up and talking shit as usual. Just missing the ultimate Aholes - Luxon and Seymour, oh give it a minute their evil and stupidity will make an appearance.
I am over the performative playbook the right are fully invested in. Aotearoa - we have to stand up on 23 October together with our health and education practitioners and make it clear - this Cluster of callous incompetents cannot be our future.
❤️❤️
A lot of demonising going on today… Winnie demonising the Greens, Nicola demonising anyone who will stand still long enough to suffer her constant nagging about life on earth. The Coalition, as a hole,( a very big one,) are suddenly aware that they are losing ground rapidly to the Opposition and are blaming them for anything they can, true or false, mostly false, to keep their faithful supporters from getting too close to the truth about the state of their country.
Frank’s newsletter was very interesting reading indeed. Perhaps a bit more homework by all those demonising Hamas might help them understand the background behind Oct 7. I don’t, for one second condone terrorism by anyone. Not even Israel, America or any other state we are exhorted to praise for their leadership and humanity.
“Sympathy for the devil” is a song I’ve loved since it came out in 1968. A very clever and largely misunderstood assessment by Mick. The best bass line ever by Keith to support his blistering guitar work. I have to agree with David. The original is the best by far. Christians around the world demonise (?!) this song without ever listening to it, (including members of a youth group I was a leader of some time ago). The vicar of our church thinks it’s great as well. The Simeons and others who no doubt think it’s about a cloven hoofed, horned dude with bad intentions might be surprised to find “the devil” they fear is in front of them every time they look in a mirror. It’s all about us, folks! 😬
Oh and P. S. Nick interesting take on a Stones classic from a band unknown to me so thanks for sharing. Think I'll stick with the original tho 😉
The lovely Norman Finkelstein has said that calling what is happening in Gaza a 'war' is also a form of Israeli propaganda. There are not two armies fighting it out on a battlefield, with NLAWS, tanks, artillery, armed drones, jet fighters and helicopters, etc
There is a MASSIVELY equipped army decimating a civilian population.
And saying that Israel wants peace is completely avoiding the actual reality of what Israel has said, clearly, time and again, to its own people: it wants Palestine.
👍💯 A point I make often 👏
Agree, agree, agree Nick
No sympathy here for "Simple and Simpler". In fact, they are just so dumb, as are their leaders.