Good to read your Kōrero Nick as I missed some of the video live link. As for Luxon, we could see he can read, should listen to George Jones ‘Have a little talk with Jesus’ might improve his understanding of people who are not Pakeha, wealthy and sorted! Yes, Chippy and Marama were excellent. That would be noted by Maori no heckling when they spoke.
Yes I watched it too. It was great being able to do so, and like you, brought back some wonderful memories (and I've been looking out the pics!). Annette King sent me a lovely one of four of us then women Labour MPs holding that famous picture of Norman Kirk hand in hand with a Maori child. I think we were going into the Whare at Ti Ti Marae. I laughed at the Ice Queen having to sit next to Marama for three hours, I was moved by Peeni's speech ; Chippy did well - no notes and genuine, but Marama stole the show for wahine. As for Luxon, Seymour and Peters - enuf said. It is sad how the need for controversy by some who purport to comment on politics has landed on TPM and Chippy/Peeni this year. We have such a huge hill to climb to get rid of the evil CoC so we can't afford to be sidetracked by it.
Thanks for the report of proceedings Nick. The line that rings like a donging alarm bell for me is that the PM said he believed in equality of opportunity but not equality of outcomes because that would be Socialism (the great enemy of the people?, the path of less for the rich and more for the poor and let's keep it that way?). He could have declared himself more clearly in front of Mana Whenua where he was a guest, and Tangata Whenua and Tangata Tiriti, that he didn't believe in what Te Tiriti promises and bloody well guarantees. Of course I, we, already knew this as it is blatant in the coalitions policies, but FFS??? Let's vote them OUT already.
I was gobsmacked when he said that Susan. It's why he used the word"bottom feeders" so easily......he really believes that there should be bottom feeders in society. His reading off notes really really gets me upset. For heavens sake why can't he just speak from the heart. To me,this is why the speeches made by Chippie et al come across as so genuine and meaningful.
Luxon's comment about "equality" was disgraceful. What a mean-minded man. I could not believe he was so dense and lacking in empathy to publicly state his belief in ensuring "bottom feeders" stay that way.
I can only assume that he believes that socialism takes away from his belief that he has more because he is in some way superior to others. That he made more of his opportunities. He is a fundamentalist capitalist.
Ngā mihi for your account of yesterday's proceedings.
Although I haven't been to Waitangi (it's on my bucket list), I can definitely understand your FOMO.
I didn't see much of 8t yesterday (my viewing was interrupted by whānau visiting) but I was able to find a stream on YouTube that I could watch later which made me happy.
I must admit I was certainly expecting and hoping for more protests, but what there was was loud enough to hear.
I was totally unimpressed with the kōrero from the Kāwanatanga, although I do have to acknowledge Shane Jones. He spoke highly of Peeni Henare, and he did make me laugh with his last comment.
I was extremely emotional listening to Peeni Henare speak. Even though I couldn't understand what he was saying, I could feel his passion and I then remembered that this will be the last time hearing him whaikōrero on the paepae as a government minister and that thought almost brought me to tears.
I really enjoyed listening to Chris Hipkins speak. He was genuine and thoughtful acknowledging all Māori MP's from both sides of the political divide, but when he acknowledged Peeni Henare with humility, and emotion, that got me going again.
I will admit, I did feel a bit for Rawiri Waititi. I genuinely feel that he was being genuine during his kōrero, but, although it's tikanga, Kiri Waititi showed a different story.
Chippy is right. TPM need to really sort themselves out and to me that starts at the top.
The theatre of Waitangi is always interesting, but the heart of Waitangi was what captured me so strongly yesterday. It's been a long time since Ti Tiriti has been under attack as it is now - right back to Don Brash's day (and look how irrelevant he is now, I comfort myself). The anger in the haka, the passion in the waiata, extremely moving. Luxon and Seymour seemed like unnecessary distractions and almost irrelevant
Kia Ora Nick, like you I am grieving for TPM. It began with such promise, and was one reason why I haven’t voted Labour since the Seabed & Foreshore debacle. I agree that it needs a clear out of hangers-on and toxic leadership. It needs to be more political in its policies and rhetoric, and recognise that Māori are a broad economic & social grouping.
They also need to remember the clock won’t stop ticking while they sort their differences out. They have 8 months to get it done or they will be toast as far as any of them becoming viable candidates who can help restore AotearoaNZ to the country we all love and deserve.
Thanks Nick. A great overview. Let's hope the groaning goes mainstream and this disastrous lot get booted out. None of them deserve to be there. So uninspiring, selfish and greedy.
Nick, I made the trip from Weliington to Waitangi last year. I am pleased I did. I am usually working and decided it was important to do that at least once when I could. I used the opportunity to visit friends in the north and also learn more about the context, the history and geography of the north that are important to understand. I have been reading since to understand more. I have found The Meeting Place by historian Vincent O'Malley provides lots of context.
So I am not there but won't forget the experience and will continue to learn.
Great summation of Waitangi proceedings, Nick, so a big thank you for that. Kerre Woodham and Ryan Bridge, have bragged about Auckland changing the outcome of the last election, so we have them to thank for dumping the Dumbest PM, ever in NZ on us. Between constantly mauling people and now, actually saying he believes in equality of opportunities but not equality of outcomes because that would be socialism, left me speechless, this idiot has to go, along with his CoC cohorts.
A lot of trolls about today (on fb) suugesting a referendum on Te Tiriti. I guess I'm always shocked at these locked profile posters. Thought we were past that.
Luxon was in his high school debating team, led by a Mr Reid. I suspect Luxon was second speaker, where no ex tempore contribution is required and the speech can be read from notes. Also, he sat Schol but achieved only a B Bursary - seems his wild overestimates of his capabilities are not new.
Good to read your Kōrero Nick as I missed some of the video live link. As for Luxon, we could see he can read, should listen to George Jones ‘Have a little talk with Jesus’ might improve his understanding of people who are not Pakeha, wealthy and sorted! Yes, Chippy and Marama were excellent. That would be noted by Maori no heckling when they spoke.
Yes I watched it too. It was great being able to do so, and like you, brought back some wonderful memories (and I've been looking out the pics!). Annette King sent me a lovely one of four of us then women Labour MPs holding that famous picture of Norman Kirk hand in hand with a Maori child. I think we were going into the Whare at Ti Ti Marae. I laughed at the Ice Queen having to sit next to Marama for three hours, I was moved by Peeni's speech ; Chippy did well - no notes and genuine, but Marama stole the show for wahine. As for Luxon, Seymour and Peters - enuf said. It is sad how the need for controversy by some who purport to comment on politics has landed on TPM and Chippy/Peeni this year. We have such a huge hill to climb to get rid of the evil CoC so we can't afford to be sidetracked by it.
Thanks for the report of proceedings Nick. The line that rings like a donging alarm bell for me is that the PM said he believed in equality of opportunity but not equality of outcomes because that would be Socialism (the great enemy of the people?, the path of less for the rich and more for the poor and let's keep it that way?). He could have declared himself more clearly in front of Mana Whenua where he was a guest, and Tangata Whenua and Tangata Tiriti, that he didn't believe in what Te Tiriti promises and bloody well guarantees. Of course I, we, already knew this as it is blatant in the coalitions policies, but FFS??? Let's vote them OUT already.
I was gobsmacked when he said that Susan. It's why he used the word"bottom feeders" so easily......he really believes that there should be bottom feeders in society. His reading off notes really really gets me upset. For heavens sake why can't he just speak from the heart. To me,this is why the speeches made by Chippie et al come across as so genuine and meaningful.
You can only speak from the heart if you have one, though.
Luxon's comment about "equality" was disgraceful. What a mean-minded man. I could not believe he was so dense and lacking in empathy to publicly state his belief in ensuring "bottom feeders" stay that way.
What's wrong with socialism?
Exactly
I can only assume that he believes that socialism takes away from his belief that he has more because he is in some way superior to others. That he made more of his opportunities. He is a fundamentalist capitalist.
Yep, you hit that nail right on the head Heather!
Yeah that line smacked me in the face as well. So Trumpian. Disgusting way to view the world tbh.
It’s a world he can’t control MsP, that’s why he always looks so pissed off.
Āta mārie Nick and Nick's Kōrero readers.
Ngā mihi for your account of yesterday's proceedings.
Although I haven't been to Waitangi (it's on my bucket list), I can definitely understand your FOMO.
I didn't see much of 8t yesterday (my viewing was interrupted by whānau visiting) but I was able to find a stream on YouTube that I could watch later which made me happy.
I must admit I was certainly expecting and hoping for more protests, but what there was was loud enough to hear.
I was totally unimpressed with the kōrero from the Kāwanatanga, although I do have to acknowledge Shane Jones. He spoke highly of Peeni Henare, and he did make me laugh with his last comment.
I was extremely emotional listening to Peeni Henare speak. Even though I couldn't understand what he was saying, I could feel his passion and I then remembered that this will be the last time hearing him whaikōrero on the paepae as a government minister and that thought almost brought me to tears.
I really enjoyed listening to Chris Hipkins speak. He was genuine and thoughtful acknowledging all Māori MP's from both sides of the political divide, but when he acknowledged Peeni Henare with humility, and emotion, that got me going again.
I will admit, I did feel a bit for Rawiri Waititi. I genuinely feel that he was being genuine during his kōrero, but, although it's tikanga, Kiri Waititi showed a different story.
Chippy is right. TPM need to really sort themselves out and to me that starts at the top.
That's enough from me today.
Have a good one Nick.
Hari Rā Waitangi.
The theatre of Waitangi is always interesting, but the heart of Waitangi was what captured me so strongly yesterday. It's been a long time since Ti Tiriti has been under attack as it is now - right back to Don Brash's day (and look how irrelevant he is now, I comfort myself). The anger in the haka, the passion in the waiata, extremely moving. Luxon and Seymour seemed like unnecessary distractions and almost irrelevant
Kia Ora Nick, like you I am grieving for TPM. It began with such promise, and was one reason why I haven’t voted Labour since the Seabed & Foreshore debacle. I agree that it needs a clear out of hangers-on and toxic leadership. It needs to be more political in its policies and rhetoric, and recognise that Māori are a broad economic & social grouping.
They also need to remember the clock won’t stop ticking while they sort their differences out. They have 8 months to get it done or they will be toast as far as any of them becoming viable candidates who can help restore AotearoaNZ to the country we all love and deserve.
Thanks Nick. A great overview. Let's hope the groaning goes mainstream and this disastrous lot get booted out. None of them deserve to be there. So uninspiring, selfish and greedy.
It is hard to know whether it is just power plays between factions or a real division of vision about direction.
Despite the fierce character portrayed by Waititi I think his family jewels are in his wife’s kete.
She is a very angry person.
Thanks Nick. You paint a great picture.
Whatever the future holds for NZ, one thing is sure. Māori will prevail. They have a belief in their culture and language which is everlasting.
Nga mihi.
Dan
Belief in culture and language, as you say, Dan, are everlasting. For TPM, it’s belief in each other which seems to be in jeopardy.
Nick, I made the trip from Weliington to Waitangi last year. I am pleased I did. I am usually working and decided it was important to do that at least once when I could. I used the opportunity to visit friends in the north and also learn more about the context, the history and geography of the north that are important to understand. I have been reading since to understand more. I have found The Meeting Place by historian Vincent O'Malley provides lots of context.
So I am not there but won't forget the experience and will continue to learn.
Great summation of Waitangi proceedings, Nick, so a big thank you for that. Kerre Woodham and Ryan Bridge, have bragged about Auckland changing the outcome of the last election, so we have them to thank for dumping the Dumbest PM, ever in NZ on us. Between constantly mauling people and now, actually saying he believes in equality of opportunities but not equality of outcomes because that would be socialism, left me speechless, this idiot has to go, along with his CoC cohorts.
Susan your words ring so true! I sing a song for your kōrero
I had the same alarm bell donging!
A great coverage Nick. Appreciate your coverage.
A lot of trolls about today (on fb) suugesting a referendum on Te Tiriti. I guess I'm always shocked at these locked profile posters. Thought we were past that.
Luxon was in his high school debating team, led by a Mr Reid. I suspect Luxon was second speaker, where no ex tempore contribution is required and the speech can be read from notes. Also, he sat Schol but achieved only a B Bursary - seems his wild overestimates of his capabilities are not new.