You're most welcome, I hope people do find it of interest. James spoke with the same level headed compassion that Chris does. Great to see just now that he is out of isolation.
I agree that James Shaw and Chris Hipkins have in common ,the same level headededness and are able to speak,and present their policies with compassion.
Rosemary you have raised your son to be a fine decent man. He hasn't had it easy this campaign. Thinking back to when his daughter was in hospital and he thanked blood donors like my husband and I who made her treatment possible. We're in it for you Chris. Thank you
Thanks Nick, you've found some humanity and humour in this sometimes grim offering, as always reminding us that some of these "ideas" being floated on the right actually have consequences for real people.
My usual impression of Seymour is that he typifies a type of smug, schoolboy six-form debate club sophism. Not sure he even got to that level last night. From what I understand talking to folks in my neighbourhood there's some number of ACT voters, especially the urban small business type, that will hold their nose, ignore the racism and cruelty and vote for ACT because they feel no other party caters for them. Curious when you look at where the donations came from, but there you go. They believe that Peters and Seymour will knuckle down and work together once they've competed for the grumpy vote. I think that's probably a bit optimistic to say the least.
well really Peters has only ever lasted a full term in a coalition govt. with Labour. I put that down to Jacinda's wonderful people skills.it seems it wasn't a very nice experience for Labour members. I do think Peters actually liked Jacinda, but that has not stopped hi from taashing her now.
Yes- they want those young people to be treated harshly.Especially the dairy owners from other countries where perhaps repercsions for criminal behaviour are more harsh. It is understandable,given the awful damage done in ram raids, and the trauma for the dairy owners. And of course some have been physically hurt-one killed. The threat of harm is always there for the dairy owners. However,Act's policy of throwing the offenders in goal and throwing away the key is not a solution.
Great reflection of the debate. And agree James shone through as a more respectful, level headed politician. I appreciated what both Rawiri and James offered and felt their responses endorsed their projections of what they are standing for!
This has been my view throughout the campaign - the Greens seem to be the only party that has well thought out values-based, strategic policies and they are confident and knowledgeable talking to them.
Thanks Nick. The choice is clear, a coalition of NACT and NZF would be disastrous (chaos) even though the amusement value could be considerable. At best, Winston would be a handbrake on the worst excesses of Acts policies, and would probably demand Deputy PM as part of his conditions - probably taking a fishing holiday to give them time to consider.
Its vital that people get out and vote for a coalition of CARING, Labour/ Greens, with TPM in support. I hope that people don't allow the negativity and untruths dissuade them from voting.
Great summation Nick, thankyou. I think all pollies need a medal having to have Jason's face and mic in their faces asking asinine q's. Nice to see him sitting and squirming and fidgeting in his seat without getting A word in for a pleasant change. More power to the Greens and TPM !!
Your politics writing is consistently excellent- considered, lucid and astute. I watched last night and thought Rawiri was not in the mood to tolerate Winston’s nonsense especially as he had nothing new to offer.
Has Seymour’s DNA been decoded? As he has an alien like quality to his demeanour and a smugness that is out of this world. I have no appetite for his politics.
James was the standout. He had a bit of welcome mongrel last night although his genuine and decent character prevailed. Plenty of facts and straightforward delivery leavened with cracking one liners.
This is an excellent record for posterity. Captures it all except the after match review which had zero steam and this mention is far longer than it deserves.
"On whether it was ok to lie. Rawiri said never. Winston said if you’ve got any brains you’ll tell the truth or you’ll be found out through your body language - which didn’t seem like it was the best reason for choosing to tell the truth. David said - no, it’s not, and James said integrity is critical."
These people are politicians. So it is self evident. Even Judges of our courts have been caught out lying about their travel expenses. And how often have we heard the perjorative
Agree. It was lengthened by Seymour's constant unnecessary interruptions and disruptive statements. Who wants to listen to his rubbish anyway! James a winner and Rawiri can work for the good. I hope Winston tops Seymour in a cage fight.
Integrity won on the day. James Shaw is as honest as the day is long, and it shines through. And he was genuinely funny! Rawiri was the best I have seen him, and stayed coherent and sensible throughout, managing not to allow himself to be triggered by the race-baiting. The other two - nuff said.
Another brilliant analysis. You and I made a deal Nick. I would keep delivering Labour leaflets and you would keep writing like that. Now the campaign is focusing on phoning and sign waving which we will do tonight . Fancy another deal?
thank you for this summary. i am over the whole campaign and didnt watch the whole debate. have already done my two ticks Te Pati Maori. but did manage to tune in and catch Rawiri's "we've been in opposition since 1840 ...." which made me want to go out and vote again! I do suspect that Te Pati Maori wont do as well as they could because there is still confusion amongst our people about how the voting works. someone said to me the other day that they would vote for Rawiri and party vote labour to keep national out. i had to explain that because Rawiri and Deb will win their electorate seats, every party vote counts to get more people in. For me the difference between more Te Pati Maori MPs and more labour MPs is that the public will hear more about maori aspirations for constitutional change and Labour wont be able to put maori issues oon the back burner. But all this is only possible because we have a coalition of ideas, values and people willing to cooperate to achieve a left government. congrats to our MPs that are making that possible.
Dear Nick, I think this is my favourite of your writings so far! It is sane @nd rational, and engaging. We’re SO lucky to have you!
Thanks very much Judith, I really appreciate that.
That’s a really helpful summary for those of us who were unable to tune in
Thanks Nick!
You're most welcome, I hope people do find it of interest. James spoke with the same level headed compassion that Chris does. Great to see just now that he is out of isolation.
He has been very unwell so I hope he doesn't over do it....
I agree that James Shaw and Chris Hipkins have in common ,the same level headededness and are able to speak,and present their policies with compassion.
Rosemary you have raised your son to be a fine decent man. He hasn't had it easy this campaign. Thinking back to when his daughter was in hospital and he thanked blood donors like my husband and I who made her treatment possible. We're in it for you Chris. Thank you
Yes, it is a great summary and I don't know that I can bear watching it so thank you (although James' put downs of Seymour might be worth a glance!)
Oh, they were!
Thanks Nick, you've found some humanity and humour in this sometimes grim offering, as always reminding us that some of these "ideas" being floated on the right actually have consequences for real people.
My usual impression of Seymour is that he typifies a type of smug, schoolboy six-form debate club sophism. Not sure he even got to that level last night. From what I understand talking to folks in my neighbourhood there's some number of ACT voters, especially the urban small business type, that will hold their nose, ignore the racism and cruelty and vote for ACT because they feel no other party caters for them. Curious when you look at where the donations came from, but there you go. They believe that Peters and Seymour will knuckle down and work together once they've competed for the grumpy vote. I think that's probably a bit optimistic to say the least.
well really Peters has only ever lasted a full term in a coalition govt. with Labour. I put that down to Jacinda's wonderful people skills.it seems it wasn't a very nice experience for Labour members. I do think Peters actually liked Jacinda, but that has not stopped hi from taashing her now.
I've also had a lot of small business owners, including dairies, say they are voting ACT because of their stance on crime
Yes- they want those young people to be treated harshly.Especially the dairy owners from other countries where perhaps repercsions for criminal behaviour are more harsh. It is understandable,given the awful damage done in ram raids, and the trauma for the dairy owners. And of course some have been physically hurt-one killed. The threat of harm is always there for the dairy owners. However,Act's policy of throwing the offenders in goal and throwing away the key is not a solution.
Yep - Too many dicks on the dance floor 🤣
Roll on ELECTION DAY & the
Labour/Greens WIN
(Thanks Nick for that great summary)
Another inspiring read that has increased my optimism that the media thumb on the scales to suppress the vote will backfire in the end. ❤️💚🖤 all day!!
Great reflection of the debate. And agree James shone through as a more respectful, level headed politician. I appreciated what both Rawiri and James offered and felt their responses endorsed their projections of what they are standing for!
This has been my view throughout the campaign - the Greens seem to be the only party that has well thought out values-based, strategic policies and they are confident and knowledgeable talking to them.
Thanks Nick. The choice is clear, a coalition of NACT and NZF would be disastrous (chaos) even though the amusement value could be considerable. At best, Winston would be a handbrake on the worst excesses of Acts policies, and would probably demand Deputy PM as part of his conditions - probably taking a fishing holiday to give them time to consider.
Its vital that people get out and vote for a coalition of CARING, Labour/ Greens, with TPM in support. I hope that people don't allow the negativity and untruths dissuade them from voting.
Great summation Nick, thankyou. I think all pollies need a medal having to have Jason's face and mic in their faces asking asinine q's. Nice to see him sitting and squirming and fidgeting in his seat without getting A word in for a pleasant change. More power to the Greens and TPM !!
Your politics writing is consistently excellent- considered, lucid and astute. I watched last night and thought Rawiri was not in the mood to tolerate Winston’s nonsense especially as he had nothing new to offer.
Has Seymour’s DNA been decoded? As he has an alien like quality to his demeanour and a smugness that is out of this world. I have no appetite for his politics.
James was the standout. He had a bit of welcome mongrel last night although his genuine and decent character prevailed. Plenty of facts and straightforward delivery leavened with cracking one liners.
You are really in your element here Nick!
Thanks very much for your kind comments 😀
This is an excellent record for posterity. Captures it all except the after match review which had zero steam and this mention is far longer than it deserves.
"On whether it was ok to lie. Rawiri said never. Winston said if you’ve got any brains you’ll tell the truth or you’ll be found out through your body language - which didn’t seem like it was the best reason for choosing to tell the truth. David said - no, it’s not, and James said integrity is critical."
These people are politicians. So it is self evident. Even Judges of our courts have been caught out lying about their travel expenses. And how often have we heard the perjorative
.."Lying Luxon?"
I enjoyed watching the debate last night , how anyone would waste their vote on winston or seymour is way beyond me.
Great summary - Winston and Seymour = tossers (said in a caring way LOL)
Agree. It was lengthened by Seymour's constant unnecessary interruptions and disruptive statements. Who wants to listen to his rubbish anyway! James a winner and Rawiri can work for the good. I hope Winston tops Seymour in a cage fight.
What an image!
Integrity won on the day. James Shaw is as honest as the day is long, and it shines through. And he was genuinely funny! Rawiri was the best I have seen him, and stayed coherent and sensible throughout, managing not to allow himself to be triggered by the race-baiting. The other two - nuff said.
Another brilliant analysis. You and I made a deal Nick. I would keep delivering Labour leaflets and you would keep writing like that. Now the campaign is focusing on phoning and sign waving which we will do tonight . Fancy another deal?
Yep 😀
thank you for this summary. i am over the whole campaign and didnt watch the whole debate. have already done my two ticks Te Pati Maori. but did manage to tune in and catch Rawiri's "we've been in opposition since 1840 ...." which made me want to go out and vote again! I do suspect that Te Pati Maori wont do as well as they could because there is still confusion amongst our people about how the voting works. someone said to me the other day that they would vote for Rawiri and party vote labour to keep national out. i had to explain that because Rawiri and Deb will win their electorate seats, every party vote counts to get more people in. For me the difference between more Te Pati Maori MPs and more labour MPs is that the public will hear more about maori aspirations for constitutional change and Labour wont be able to put maori issues oon the back burner. But all this is only possible because we have a coalition of ideas, values and people willing to cooperate to achieve a left government. congrats to our MPs that are making that possible.