Thanks Nick, a great perspective on the debate, and so glad you were able to be there. I watched. I thought Helmut was by far and away the better speaker...he was informed, knowledgeable, steady, continued to make his points, and dignified. Seymour.....I think perhaps his 'robotic' persona is all about speaking to his crowd. He doesn't n…
Thanks Nick, a great perspective on the debate, and so glad you were able to be there. I watched. I thought Helmut was by far and away the better speaker...he was informed, knowledgeable, steady, continued to make his points, and dignified. Seymour.....I think perhaps his 'robotic' persona is all about speaking to his crowd. He doesn't need to convince us...he knows we're already agin his Bill. It's for his supporters, and soon-to-be-supporters, who are ignorant of Aotearoa's history, have no concept of equity, and he can rekindle their fear of 'losing something' to Māori. Overwhelmingly most of the comments supported Helmut. But the racist ones revealed how far in the past they are, calling for an end to 'hand-outs' ....they are still in THAT space! So ripe and fertile for Seymour's rhetoric.
Damien Grant...first time I've heard him speak....errrr.....perhaps there needs to be a benchmark of understanding Te Tiriti, the breaches, the journeys by Māori to petition the British Crown on what was happening here, the endlessly peaceful avenues Māori have taken to address those breaches....I could go on.....that irked me the most...that Seymour and Grant could spout untruths and there will be a segment of the population out there who will believe them.
On a positive note, Bomber nailed it....the future is Māori and it's coming fast. Tangata Tiriti need to get on the waka with them! This is also another great opportunity to email our glorious leaders (:)) urging them to ditch the Principles Bill. Clearly the majority do not want it, it's bad for the country, and based on ACT (Atlas) lies.
His voice sounds like he is going through a health crisis from smoking cigarettes - I immediately wondered if he has the “big C” and why did he (twice convicted of fraud) get any platform at all?
Thanks Nick, a great perspective on the debate, and so glad you were able to be there. I watched. I thought Helmut was by far and away the better speaker...he was informed, knowledgeable, steady, continued to make his points, and dignified. Seymour.....I think perhaps his 'robotic' persona is all about speaking to his crowd. He doesn't need to convince us...he knows we're already agin his Bill. It's for his supporters, and soon-to-be-supporters, who are ignorant of Aotearoa's history, have no concept of equity, and he can rekindle their fear of 'losing something' to Māori. Overwhelmingly most of the comments supported Helmut. But the racist ones revealed how far in the past they are, calling for an end to 'hand-outs' ....they are still in THAT space! So ripe and fertile for Seymour's rhetoric.
Damien Grant...first time I've heard him speak....errrr.....perhaps there needs to be a benchmark of understanding Te Tiriti, the breaches, the journeys by Māori to petition the British Crown on what was happening here, the endlessly peaceful avenues Māori have taken to address those breaches....I could go on.....that irked me the most...that Seymour and Grant could spout untruths and there will be a segment of the population out there who will believe them.
On a positive note, Bomber nailed it....the future is Māori and it's coming fast. Tangata Tiriti need to get on the waka with them! This is also another great opportunity to email our glorious leaders (:)) urging them to ditch the Principles Bill. Clearly the majority do not want it, it's bad for the country, and based on ACT (Atlas) lies.
It's a sunny day in Whakatū!
I hate to tell you that was Damien Grant on a good day, he was behaving.
His voice sounds like he is going through a health crisis from smoking cigarettes - I immediately wondered if he has the “big C” and why did he (twice convicted of fraud) get any platform at all?
Ugh.